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kaddrison

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Posted 11/07/12 at 01:27 AMReply with quote #1 
Using a LCD32PT and kingston uSD cards (lots of them) - just got a new patch in and some (about 75%) fail to mount - trying the checkerget

media_Init sucessful
Partitioned FAT16
Part#       type          start       length
1             06             00000081 003BA77F

Trying mount
Mount Failed
Disk probably not formatted

Any ideas - Have tested 10 of the new ones and got 2 that work - they are all kingston ones
thierry_72

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Posted 11/07/12 at 02:00 AMReply with quote #2 
quel logiciel utiliser pour formater en FAT 16
merci
thierry
which software to use to format to FAT 16
thank you
thierry
kaddrison

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Posted 11/07/12 at 02:15 AMReply with quote #3 
Have tried many - windows has always worked it the past - but tried the SD.org own today
ESPsupport

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Posted 11/07/12 at 07:45 AMReply with quote #4 
Assuming they are formatted / powered / etc the same way as the last good batch the most common reason for this is that the cards are fakes. The fakes often do not support SPI mode, or seem to be 'broken' with it.

You can try the http://4d.websitetoolbox.com/post/uSD-Card-and-Display-Modules-5149940 and see what it has to say.

You can usually identify a fake by reading the cards CSD register, SGC can do this, the manufacturer ID will be invalid and/or the serial number will be blank. Of course SGC will not be able to read the CSD if it cannot read the card, so you wont be able to check all of them.

Unfortunately I have never been able to work out how to read the CSD register under windows and have not been able to find a utility that can.
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Posted 11/07/12 at 07:47 AMReply with quote #5 
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which software to use to format to FAT 16


When you bring up the windows gui formatter change the file system to FAT. For some reason MS decided to make FAT=FAT16
kaddrison

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Posted 16/07/12 at 06:55 PMReply with quote #6 
Hi ESPsupport

Found this page - not sure if this could be the issue 
kaddrison

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Posted 16/07/12 at 10:44 PMReply with quote #7 
Done some more testing and can get the cards to work on an arduino


Initializing SD card...Wiring is correct and a card is present.

Card type: SD2

Volume type is FAT16

Volume size (bytes): 2001403904
Volume size (Kbytes): 1954496
Volume size (Mbytes): 1908

Files found on the card (name, date and size in bytes):
WATCHKEE.GCI  2012-06-06 09:27:14 4095488
WATCHKEE.DAT  2012-06-06 09:27:14 7932


Have lots of these cards that dont work on the screen but do elsewhere -

Need help here - can send some cards for you to test if needed - got 150 screens from you lately and ordered cards locally for them. Most dont work on the screen but do on the Arduino so SPI works on them
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Posted 17/07/12 at 07:57 AMReply with quote #8 
Can you point to a circuit of the Arduino you are using, just want to satisfy myself that it is not using SD mode to access the card?

Can you confirm that you are using the latest PmmC (R30)?

Can you run the uSD tester and put a photo of the results here? http://4d.websitetoolbox.com/post/uSD-Card-and-Display-Modules-5149940

Are you sure the only difference between what works and what doesn't is the uSD card? (that's probably a trick question, but anyway)

We don't have the issue you referred to in an earlier post.

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this quickly, without the need to send some cards.
kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 06:31 PMReply with quote #9 
Hi

Using a EtherShield which is 100% SPI

Yes to R30

Attached uSD Tester of a good and a bad

and yes remove one card - replace with another reboot and wont read - replace with original and all works

All cards (or the 10 I'm testing report OK on the Arduino)

Thanks for your help

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Posted 17/07/12 at 06:42 PMReply with quote #10 
Can you run a chkdsk against a good one and a bad one and post the results?
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Posted 17/07/12 at 06:43 PMReply with quote #11 

Maybe a silly question, but is the good one the one that says mount successful (and seems to have invalid partition data), or the one that says mount failed (but seems to have valid partition data)?
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Posted 17/07/12 at 06:53 PMReply with quote #12 
Can you dump the first couple of sectors of a goodie and a baddie using, say HxD?
kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 06:56 PMReply with quote #13 
ChkDsk good one first

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kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 07:02 PMReply with quote #14 
yes thats correct - not sure where that came from but reformatted and still works on that one - new picture attached

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Posted 17/07/12 at 07:04 PMReply with quote #15 
Once you've done the HxD dump(s) I suspect if you use RMPet to delete the partition table and then reformat I suspect the cards will be ok.

Need to look at the HxD dumps to figure out what the issue is/was still
kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 07:46 PMReply with quote #16 
Hope this means something to you !
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kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 07:47 PMReply with quote #17 
have already tried RMPet without luck
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Posted 17/07/12 at 08:11 PMReply with quote #18 
Did you open the uSD in HxD as 'Logical' or 'Physical'? I should have said I'd like to see it as physical.
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Posted 17/07/12 at 08:19 PMReply with quote #19 
What size are these cards supposed to be?
kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 08:34 PMReply with quote #20 
they are all 2G cards all branded Kingston Cards

Hex attached

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Posted 17/07/12 at 09:36 PMReply with quote #21 
ATM I'm reasonably confident these cards are fakes. Every 2gb Kingston card I have reports 3,842,048 sectors.

One of yours is reporting 3,909,632, the other is reporting 3,887,104, and the fact that they are reporting different numbers is in itself odd. These are the sizes reported in the Partition tables, if you fire up RMPET against these cards the Capacity in sectors (top line) should be the same.

Neither of these cards have had their partitions deleted in RMPET. It is important to remove and reinsert the drive after deleting the partition as Windows caches the Partion table and simply rewrites it if you haven't removed and reinserted the card between the delete in RMPET and the format in Windows.

In the past I have simply said 'The cards are fake and do not support SPI'. But you tell me the work on Arduino, so I guess we need to look further, although I don't know that I'd trust fake cards for anything. If Arduino can dump the CID register on the cards we should be able to identify if they are fakes immediately.

Can you use RMPET to check the number of sectors, Delete the partition table, remove and reinsert the cards and then format them as FAT16 and see if they then work (If this works you need to get another 'faulty' card and dump the 'LBA First sector' as reported by RMPET, but later).

Also dump Sector 0 again once you have done this.

Thanks
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Posted 17/07/12 at 10:15 PMReply with quote #22 
I've dug up a couple of fake Kingston cards that can't be read on our displays. Can you point me to the source of the low level SPI init and sector read routines that Arduino uses, I'll have a go at trying to see if I can read them, somehow?
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Posted 17/07/12 at 10:56 PMReply with quote #23 
RMPet

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kaddrison

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Posted 17/07/12 at 11:01 PMReply with quote #24 
This is the library for the SD I use

All these Cards were bought from Ebuyer.com ( one of the main online sellers in the UK) Could they be selling fake cards?

 
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Posted 18/07/12 at 08:13 AMReply with quote #25 
According to Kinston Ebuyer is a legit site http://www.kingston.com/en/wheretobuy

Can you try their, rather non-tecnical, fake determinator http://www.kingston.com/us/support/memory_verification

Meanwhile I will look into this code
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